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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jan 4, 2009 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Can we stick to the music, please?

I suspect that on any issue, there is an amazing spectrum of opinion spread across all our combined minds and hearts.

Probably the only thing we all share is admiration for and enjoyment of the Grateful Dead's music (what do you know: the Dead's music brings people together...).

Highlighting our myriad other legitimate and sincere differences only undermines our collective tolerance and goodwill.

There are plenty of other places on the Web to vent one's political, religious, sexual, dietary, and other opinions.

But there's no other GD community quite like this one. Let's take good care of it.





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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 4, 2009 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

well said Dhamma; and while i do not mind so-called non-GD threads (i've started/participated in more than a few), because after all, it's not just about the band, but about the experience itself, the shows, the fans, the music, the hearsay, the entire scene/culture in which we participated or were spawned from, or wished we had, etc., and so the political/religious, intolerant-minded stuff is best discussed in other, more appropriate, forums, of which there are many such on the web, if that's your thing

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jan 4, 2009 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?... no

Anyone notice how all the so called enlightened and progressive causes link back to oppression and tyranny?

For instance, I am checking out the online anti-israel protests and besides the fact that I can't seem to find any of them protesting militants launching rockets into populated areas and killing innocent people, I come across these folks:

http://adalahny.org/index.php/endorsing-organizations

3 mouse clicks later and I wind up here:

http://www.socialistaction.org/

and here:

http://www.internationalsocialist.org/

(endorsing-organizations)

WTF?

Tell me what the fuck jihad and socialism have in common... oh wait, I did a 3 songs and videos about it and I'm the hating asshole. Go figure, logic is dead.

Jeez... someone flush us all the way down, this paddling next to the tidy bowl man's boat is getting old.

Is that non-dead enough for you?

Or how about this?

White power groups are retarded. Claiming to be christian (jesus=Jew) and basing all their mythology on passages from a religion evolved from juadaism is absurd. Even more absurd is they embrace the jihadist movement because it is also antisemitic. Irony? Their 'religion' and culture is more routed in judaism than islam, hello?

So once again, anti-semitism or more accurately anti-israel existencism (AKA zionism) seems to be the missing link. If only I could figure out why jews themselves are mostly democrats I could figure this thing out... but from what I can ascertain, all the people who have not will join together regardless of their clashing beliefs in order to undermine the system of the haves (this still doesn't explain the progressive jews, anyone get this?). Once the have nots get the power, or money, or wives or whatever they are after, they become the haves and become the target of the have nots that they stole from and on it goes swirling clockwise (biased racist northern hemisphere hatespeech) down the toilet.

As for tolerance, it seems that those who claim to stand for diversity and tolerance only tolerate their own views and have changed diversity to mean anti-mainstream and nothing to do with equal voices, rights, etc. They put their quest for special priviledges ahead of others (who already gained their rights by fighting or working for them). They think hatecrime legislation and censorship is progressive? Making one side's view (no matter how ugly) ok and others not ok? Yet in the same breath defending a foreign religion's message of murder and oppression of the very things they are saying. Think about it, do socialists really think they would thrive under the caliphate? Would Sean Penn's Milk be a hit in Iran? No it would get him executed and any artsy fartsy tree huggig "free thinker" would be hung by the neck until dead. Irony abounds in a free country, especially when the rights given to you by a piece of paper is burning in your own hands, think about that!

I wish Darwin was as influential as Marx and we could evolve past this.

Now back to your regularly scheduled pogrom.

Retard Power!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 4, 2009 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?... no

>>I am checking out the online anti-israel protests and besides the fact that I can't seem to find any of them protesting militants launching rockets into populated areas and killing innocent people>>

No one was killed before the Israeli government escalated.

AND the Israeli government was the entity that broke the truce in the 1st place!

Some of you guys only like democracy when they vote the way you insist, and even cancel fair elections and mislabel entire groups of people in an Orwellian attempt to blot out the truth.

One way or another this darkness has got to give.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jan 4, 2009 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?... no

uhhh no one was killed? Are you an anti-semite revisionist or something?

2001 - Dolfinarium and Sbarro
* Jan 1st - explosive car in Netanya, 35 Israelis wounded.
* Mar 1st - an explosive in a bag was blown by a taxi passenger (shooting at the bag), near Mei Ami junction in northern Israel. this was after the taxi was stopped at a roadblock. one civilian killed, 10 wounded.
* Mar 4th - a suicide bomber, carrying a bag with explosives, explodes on a main street in Netanya. 3 killed, 53 wounded.
* Mar 27th - a suicide bomber, carrying a bag with explosives, explodes near a bus in "French Hill" junct. in northern Jerusalem. terrorist was the only killed, 21 civilians wounded.
* Mar 28th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive under his armpit, attacks a gas station in the entrance to Neve Yamin settlement. two civilians killed, four wounded.
* Apr 22nd - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes near a bus in Tshernikhovski st, Kfar Saba. one civilian killed, 45 wounded.
* May 18th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes in the entrance to a shopping mall in Netanya. 5 killed, 86 wounded.
* Jun 1st - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes in the entrance to Dolfinarium night club in Tel Aviv. 22 civilians killed, 20 Israelis and 2 tourists. 83 wounded. all the of the killed and most of the wounded are teenagers between the ages 14-19.
The terror attack occurred when Israel was during a proclaimed unilateral ceasefire. Israeli gov't decides not to respond, following a public statement by Arafat, declaring a Palestinian ceasefire. the gov't decision was followed by two-days riots in Tel Aviv and Jaffa against Arab civilians. riots finally quelled by large police forces. damage to Arab property and several Israeli Jews and Arabs wounded.
* Jun 22nd - explosive car blows up near an IDF patrol in Elley Sinai settlement. two soldiers killed.
* Aug 9th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive bag, attacks in Sbarro restaurant in junct. of King George and Jafa st. in Jerusalem center. 15 civilians killed, 110 wounded.
* Sep 9th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive bag, attacks train station in Naharia. 3 killed (two soldiers, one civilian), 46 wounded.
* Dec 1st - two suicide bombers, carrying explosives on their bodies, explode in Ben Yehuda st in Jerusalem center. an explosive car blows up minutes after the suicide bombers. 11 civilians killed, 170 wounded.
* Dec 2nd - a suicide bomber, wearing an explosive belt, explodes in Yad Lebanim st. in Haifa. 15 killed, 35 wounded.

2002 - Moment cafe, Park hotel and Matza restaurant
* Mar 9th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, attacks Moment cafe in Gaza st. a busy night life scene in Jerusalem. 11 civilians killed, 58 wounded. The cafe was completely destroyed.
* Mar 27th - Passover. a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, attacks dining hall of Park hotel in Netanya in the midst of Passover ceremony. 28 civilians killed, 144 wounded. This attack, coupled with a Tanzim attack in Jerusalem center earlier the same day and another attack a day before, triggered operation defensive shield in which IDF attacked terrorist nests in Jenin, Nablus and Ramallah.
* Mar 31st - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, attacks Matza restaurant in Neve Shaanan district in Haifa. 15 killed, 31 wounded. The restaurant was popular among Jewish and Arab population in Haifa.
* May 7th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body and another in a bag, attacks a billiard club in Rishon Letzion. 16 killed, 51 wounded.
* Jun 18th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive in a bag, explodes inside a bus in Dov Yossef st. in Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem. 19 killed, 50 wounded.
* Aug 4th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside a bus in mount Meiron in northern Israel. 9 killed, 48 wounded.
* Sep 19th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on a backpack, explodes in bus no.4 in Alenby st. in Tel Aviv. 6 killed, 66 wounded.
* Oct 10th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, attacks a bus station near Coca-Cola junct. in Ramat Gan. woman killed, 20 injured.
* Oct 27th - a suicide bomber was shot and killed at the entrance to Ariel settlement. However, he managed to detonate his charge, killing 3 and injuring 17.
* Nov 21st - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside bus no.20 in Mexico st. in Jerusalem. 11 killed, 50 injured.

2003 - Mike's place, Hillel cafe, Jerusalem busses
* Mar 5th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside bus no.37 in Moria ave in Haifa. 15 killed, 42 injured.
* Apr 15th - a terrorist attacks Karnie checkpoint in WB, throwing granades in shooting. 2 killed, 3 wounded.
* Apr 30th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, attacks Mike's place, a popular pub in Tel Aviv's seaside promenade. Another terrorist throws his charge nearby. 3 killed, 62 injured.
* May 17th - a suicide bomber, dressed as a religious Jew, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes in Gross sq., Hebron. two civilians killed.
* May 18th - a suicide bomber, probably dressed as a religious Jew, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside a bus in French Hill junct. in Jerusalem. 7 killed, 20 wounded.
* Jun 11th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside bus no.14 in Jaffa st. in Jerusalem center. 17 killed, 104 injured.
* Aug 12th - a suicide bomber explodes in bus station near entrance to Ariel. two killed, two injured.
* Aug 19th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on his body, explodes inside a bus in Shmuel Hanavie st. in Jerusalem. 23 killed, 115 injured.
* Sep 9th - a suicide bomber explodes inside a bus station near Tzriffin army base. 9 soldiers killed, 10 wounded.
* Sep 9th - on the same day, a suicide bomber attacks Hillel cafe in Emeq Refaim st in Jerusalem. 7 civilians killed, 70 wounded.

2004 - Ashdod seaport
* Jan 13th - a woman suicide bomber, carrying an explosive on her body, explodes in industrial zone near Erez checkpoint. 4 killed (3 soldiers and one security guard), 5 wounded.
* Jan 29th - a suicide bomber, carrying an explosive in a bag, explodes inside bus no.19 in Gaza st in Jerusalem, 200 yards from PM residence. 11 killed, 44 wounded.
* Mar 14th - two suicide bombers attack in Ashdod seaport. One exploded a bomb belt inside the harbor, the other exploded a bag at the entrance. 10 killed, 12 injured. This attack is viewed by Israeli gov’t as an escalation in the terrorist attacks. The target is a strategic facility an national symbol. Intelligence community estimates that Hamas plans to renew and intensify terror attacks. gov’t approves Yassin’s assassination.

Ok so now compare surgical strikes costing lots of money to avoid collateral damage with someone walking into a restaurant with a breifcase and blowing up themselves along with innocent women and children.

I'd love to hear this one. Oh wait, you will just argue anything I say for the hell of it and you have once again lead me into a circle of madness, time to jump out now. You can finish this one legged race yourself.

Death to israel, death to usa, oops I mean stop the oppression and we want peace... that's a crock of bullshit if I ever heard one. Freedom fighters are so righteous they hide their faces behind ski masks... hahaha.

Good night gracie

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Poster: wonsing Date: Jan 4, 2009 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?... no

http://www.archive.org/details/nimelec002

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2006/48constellations.html

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 4, 2009 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

and(mostly)well said- Arbuthnot! might i add, other forums on the web AND HERE also, like this one >> http://www.archive.org/details/democracy_now#forum

define "intolerant" People who don't agree with you? Sure hope not

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2009 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

Here's what I would offer: we can't say, unilaterally, "no non-DEAD posts!" or too many of us would die of hypocritical embarrassment. I do feel, completely without objective, independent support, that the non-DEAD posts that consist of one or more Forumites (read: the folks we all know, that I realize sounds terribly snobbish, have established themselves via regular DEAD related posts) having a polite (or not so depending on their inclinations at the time) exchange don't do any great harm, and often we learn something about sports, history, or even economics.

Another category might be the occasional "new flash" free of suggestions as to what you might do if you disagree with the sentiments of the poster (often implied).

But, random posts out of the blue, not directed to a particular Forumite for an exchange of one sort or another, rank up there with spam, it seems to me...

I know, I know; this sounds like a set of rules that only I know how to implement...just like porn, I can't always define it, but I know it when I see it. Speaking of which, gotta run...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 4, 2009 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please? a tad more horse beating

I've noticed that on both extremes, left and right, people who disagree with oneself are labeled "Intolerant". To me, intolerance is not allowing other points of view to be discussed. Morons who shout down & threaten people at rallys & meetings, for example, Netanyahu being shouted down in Berkeley and not allowed to speak (I was there), the Hamas supporters in San Francisco, threating me in 2005 while hiding behind scarfs. I really learned the face of hate & evil then, I could feel it heavy in the air.
In those cases, I can say they ARE intolerant.

Other than making these points in this particular thread, I agree, the GDforum should be kinda GD related (and i have been guilty -duh)
But it's a New Year! Hugs everyone - even you tree huggers ;) gotta run also, free chinese food awaits me-yum!

This post was modified by rastamon on 2009-01-04 19:22:43

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jan 4, 2009 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

Y'all are just begging for one of these...


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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 4, 2009 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

Okay, he's beating that horse with one hand, but what is that OTHER hand doing? :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2009 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to beating--the horse?

Hmmm, I agree...this is getting a little bit creepy.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 4, 2009 11:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to beating--the horse?

Sometimes we beat on your horses,
Sometimes we beat alone,
Sometimes the things that we beat
Are just things of our own...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2009 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Does this happen to you?

Oh, yeah--that really works. Good one. I am even singing it in my little Jerry voice; seriously, I can't think of that verse without it coming out in "Jerry Sound" in my head.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 5, 2009 2:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

If you wanna read some anti-Semitic bullshit; go check out www.aztlan.net. I'm not sure just WTF the illegal alien's rights groups have to do with Israel; but this Mexican newspapers' employees need some brown shirts to go with their brown berets.

Islamic terrorists like to kill queers! Proposition 8 was right up their insane religious alley. Denounce the gay bashing Mormon church. Then go protest because the Jews are bombing the terrorists who would cut your gay friends' heads off.

Something doesn't add up here...



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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jan 17, 2009 11:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

Funny you mention that, I was looking at that site earlier. All they talk about now is gaza for some reason. I summed it all up in another post I got blasted for. All the have not groups ride each other's coattails against the moderate, middle class people as a common enemy until they win, then they will turn on each other.

Do the gays know the evil christians and zionist jews won't chop their heads off? Really, it's true.

How about the westboro baptists spreading jesus's love by calling people faggots in hell at funerals for servicemen!

Do the socialists and athiests really think they would be spaired by the caliphate? Do they realize only democracies allow them to be socialists freely?

People protesting in a country where you can vote!

Socialists have no room for religion, unless the religion has a cult that calls for the murder of anyone who is not of that religion, brilliant alliance!

Hiring someone based on their race or gender to combat racism and sexism is a classic one!

Shit, the neo nazi's are splitting into two groups allied with orthodox jews against the muslims in europe and with the muslims here against the jews... who for some reason are against israel now! My head is spinning. Look it up, jews against israel, I swear to g-d!

Has any hollywood liberal looked at the actual communist countries that remain and see anything utopian about north korea or cuba? Are they for starvation of the poor and retention of power by the elite?

Right wing zealouts bashing atheists who bash christians who are all protected under the same constitution. How can a frickin cross bother you if you don't believe in god? Are you that firm in your belief? I know I don't believe and could care less who does, it's their choice, not mine.

How about "church of the creator" white racists who worship a jewish carpenter?

How about afrocentric revisionists who don't know cleopatra was from europe? And claim egyptions are not semitic but subsahara africans!

Jehovah's witness spreading the word that only 144,000 will get into heaven... uhhh would you walk around selling tickets to a sold out show?

Will the blacks complain when the ilegals steal the last low paying jobs?

Or better yet, the black baptists vote 70% in favor of prop 8 but mormons get the backlash! That's a good one too.

Do the hispanic catholic democrats believe in abortion?

Will the minimum wage increase supporters complain when the costs of goods and services is raised to offset the increased cost in production?

Will the labor unions complain about jobs going to india because they pay less?

Will the feminists wear burqas? Stop driving cars? Cut out their own clitori?

Pro life supporters of the death penalty?

You want to see some funny shit, go read the hatemail at the minuteman website. People saying die racist "white scum" and other oxymoronic shit. Telling someone to die for being racist in the same sentence as calling them a honky! Legal citizens that stood in line to get here screaming about stopping people who would take their very jobs away. All this white male bashing when most of them are widowed women of 9/11 victims and at least 25 black and hispanic no less! I kid you not.

People calling me, a native american and formerly spit on irish protestant immigrant, a racist. It's all hilarious.

Hippies paying $900 for concert tickets!

Gun control measures to cut down on legal registered gun ownership, that's brilliant too. It's those damn gun collectors and hunters that do all the drive bys!

Racial profiling is a good one. Someone screaming at me because hispanics are the main targets of ID checks at mexican border... are we supposed to only stop chinese people and red headed freckled sunburnt poeple from boston?

They are all retarded extremists with agendas that individually don't stand up to the litmus test of reality so they lump it all together and swing for the fence like a motley crew of snake oil salesmen.

What a long bad trip it's been.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 4, 2009 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

but of course! there ARE other forums at this vast archive...
take a looksee >> http://www.archive.org/iathreads/forums.php

If seeing posts in other forums bug folks here (and i said IF) just hang out on this page >> http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead#forum

and post. Then you won't see any other forums when you post. Aye?

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 4, 2009 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

I think that our "rule" that developed about 2 years ago, which "requires" non-GD posts to be identified as such is more than adequate. I was a big proponent of that at the time because I was in a high stress job at the time and I came on here ONLY to talk about the Dead. Now I see that this forum is a great place to discuss all sorts of things, if you choose to.

You're absolutely right, though. This place is awesome when it's firing on all cylinders, and we should do what we can to keep it motoring on.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2009 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Can we stick to the music, please?

You're right, Pat; and said post that stirred everyone up, was in fact, so labeled.

No wonder Earl let me have it...